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Michael Liebreich's avatar

I was very lucky to spend a lot of time in my first job calculating S-curves (alongside learning curves).

It's *all*'about the assumption you make about the eventual saturation level.

You can get some idea of final saturation from the historic data (v rapid takeoff probably means a bigger final market), but fundamentally you have to take a punt on his big you think market will be once all the transients die out (hype, market development support, lack of supply chain, startup balance sheets, etc).

That's why the hydrogen ladder is about where the soil level will end up per end use might settle, after the unsustainable mountain of subsidy carrots has decomposed.

It's also a big reason why all the big official energy agencies' solar forecasts are worthless. As soon as you bury the wrong saturation level deep in your model (solar can never supply more than 10% of electricity because the sun doesn't shine at night) not only do you get the future energy mix wrong, you immediately get next year's solar market wrong too.

I looked at this in my piece on the "solar singularity" back in 2018.

https://open.substack.com/pub/mliebreich/p/linkedin-scenarios-for-a-solar-singularity

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Hugh Butler's avatar

I suggest one looks at s-curves from 3 perspectives.

1. Technology

2. Economics

3. Politics and belief systems.

So with solar the underlying technology is made in a factory and assembled on site. (Prof Bent Flyvberg) So limitation to s-cuve is economics. The 30/30/30 policy of Australia (30c/W installed, 30% efficiency and by 2030) means wholesale cost of $au20/MWh.

So the framework to be s-curve is in place. Politics will either increase or decrease rate. No barriers to end. Enough roofs, so even land not an issue.

Contrast that to CCS or H2. Both have no visible technology pathway (yet) to be at that price point). So only politics or belief systems. And ignoring competitive technology.

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